[ASC-list] Science Lobby Groups

Susan Kirk skirk at lingo.net.au
Thu Apr 7 20:19:06 UTC 2011


This is the first I've heard of FASTS, that may be my ignorance, or is there
a reluctance for the media to pickup news from lobbyists? In fact I still
think we have a real problem convincing scientists to be media savvy?
Especially in the areas of social media.  The people are talking.  There is
room for scientists to comment.  Are they?  Look at the discussions on
Grist, this one in particular
http://www.grist.org/industrial-agriculture/2011-03-10-debunking-myth-that-o
nly-industrial-agriculture-can-feed-world#c798643  (Thanks Charles for this
resource btw) 

Whilst Gillard may not mention science that much she has said one important
thing: "Climate change is real."  A fact echoed by Tony Abbott.  Maybe
another answer is more scientist politicians?   Look what happened to
infrastructure when we employed an Engineer as the Mayor of Brisbane?  OK
the Clem Tunnell is not that popular at the moment but he had the confidence
to do this based on a vision and once we are all unable to take other routes
it will be a success.

S


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> Hi Charles/Toss/All
> 
> So there is no independent voice of science because no one can speak out
> because of fear of reprimand?    Under normal employment circumstances this
> is called harrasment.  Am I to understand that some scientists sign away
> their right to the access of employment laws?  This is why I'm wondering if
> an organisation like the Union of Concerned Scientists, could work.
> Independent voices funded by the community.
> 
> I've worked for government there is no independence, you are a drone.
> 
> I saw some really good lobbying take place yesterday at the Crawford Fund's
> Parliamentary Conference.  They have the right balance of diplomacy and
> assertiveness.  Sometime achieving goals doesn't mean outright attack.
> 
> 
> 
> S   
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>>    1. Cribb in the Canberra Times today (Susan Kirk)
>>    2. Media140 Brisbane - 27 April 2011 (Wilson da Silva)
>>    3. Re: Cribb in the Canberra Times today (Charles Willock)
>>    4. Science lobby groups (Toss Gascoigne)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:58:22 +1000
>> From: Susan Kirk <skirk at lingo.net.au>
>> To: <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
>> Subject: [ASC-list] Cribb in the Canberra Times today
>> Message-ID: <C9C39DAE.3A32A%skirk at lingo.net.au>
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>> A Union of Concerned Scientists?  I would donate.  I do already.  I've said
>> this before if scientists want to be heard they have to exclude government
>> funding.
>> 
>> I have three words to say to bullied scientists, blow your whistle!
>> 
>> S
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>    1. Cribb in the Canberra Times today (Niall Byrne)
>>>    2. WA: Mildew Mania - we need you! REGISTRATION EXTENDED
>>>       (Emma Donnelly)
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 01:31:50 +0000
>>> From: Niall Byrne <niall at scienceinpublic.com.au>
>>> To: "ASC list (asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au)" <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
>>> Subject: [ASC-list] Cribb in the Canberra Times today
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>>> A terrific op-ed from Julian Cribb in the Canberra Times today which made me
>>> think about the IA conference last week. The impact of science on policy is
>>> perhaps the biggest issue in science communication in Australia and globally
>>> right now. Yet it's one that is probably hard for IA to catalyse given it's
>>> a
>>> government program.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/opinion/editorial/general/give-scientist>>
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> s
>>> -the-freedom-to-tell-the-truth-and-then-listen/2126645.aspx?storypage=0
>>> 
>>> Science has been marginalised by governments for too long and needs a strong
>>> national voice.
>>> The evidence is mounting that Australian science is once more lost in the
>>> dark
>>> ages of political neglect and disfavour.
>>> To the average Australian that might not seem to matter very much, but the
>>> more thoughtful may no doubt reflect on the likely cost to the nation of not
>>> understanding our own environment, falling behind other advanced countries
>>> and
>>> not making national decisions on a sound evidential base...
>>> One of the contributing reasons to the long, slow slide into marginality of
>>> Australian science is its perpetual inability to speak out clearly, frankly,
>>> forcefully and often about the importance of science to the future of
>>> Australia and the dangers of ignoring it...
>>> ...But when you look at who speaks for Australian science, you find, almost
>>> always, they are on the government payroll in one way or another. The
>>> academies, the universities, the funding bodies, the science agencies, the
>>> Cooperative Research Centres are all beholden to government funding and
>>> fearful of its loss should they earn political displeasure by saying the
>>> things science often has to say, which are not always pleasing to the
>>> political ear. Only the Federation of Scientific and Technological Societies
>>> has a relatively independent voice, and it is neither very loud nor
>>> forceful...
>>> Julian then talks about a potential solution.
>>> ________
>>> 
>>> Niall Byrne
>>> 
>>> Creative Director
>>> Science in Public
>>> 
>>> 82 Hudsons Road, Spotswood  Vic  3015
>>> (PO Box 2076 Spotswood VIC 3015)
>>> 03 9398-1416, 03 9078-5398, 0417 131 977
>>> 
>>> niall at scienceinpublic.com.au<mailto:niall at scienceinpublic.com.au>
>>> Twitter scienceinpublic
>>> www.scienceinpublic.com.au<http://www.scienceinpublic.com.au/>
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 17:00:17 +1000
>> From: Wilson da Silva <wfdasilva at gmail.com>
>> To: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au
>> Subject: [ASC-list] Media140 Brisbane - 27 April 2011
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>> Dear all,
>> 
>> Am on-passing the item below on behalf of the organisers, FYI:
>> 
>> *media140 Brisbane 2011: Exploring the impact of social technologies in
>> science communication*
>> 27 April 2011
>> 
>> A one day conference exploring how science communicators engage with complex
>> and often sensitive public domain issues using social media.
>> 
>> Media140 Frontiers Brisbane will be the first event of its kind to be hosted
>> in the Brisbane Powerhouse to bring together an international gathering of
>> speakers from the U.S., Europe and Australia.
>> 
>> This one-day conference will explore the benefits of social technologies on
>> effective science and risk communication, looking at the challenges of
>> engaging the public on issues such as climate change, health,
>> nanotechnology, cloning and other sensitive public interest themes. Through
>> keynotes, case studies and workshops, we will create a participatory
>> experience for science communicators to really understand what others are
>> doing in this domain and help to inform discussion and debate about the
>> future direction and trends.
>> 
>> There's a great line-up of speakers from the U.S., Europe, New Zealand and
>> Australia discussing and sharing their insights, experiences and strategies.
>> 
>> Speakers:
>> 
>>    - Andrew Maynard, Director of the University of Michigan Risk Science
>>    Center
>>    - Bernie Hobbs, ABC Science
>>    - Natasha Mitchell, ABC Radio National
>>    - Wilson da Silva, COSMOS
>>    - Darren Osborne, ABC Science Online
>>    - Sara Philips, ABC Environment Online
>>    - Daniel Keogh, science film maker, presenter and journalist
>>    - Craig Cormick, Public Awareness and Community Engagement, Federal Dept
>>    of Innovation, Industry, Science and Research
>>    - Elena Macmaster, Friends of the Earth Australia
>>    - Kristin Alford, Bridge8
>>    - Alison Binney, New Science Journalism
>>    - Richard Holliman, Open University, UK
>>    - Peta Ashworth, CSIRO Science into Society Group
>>    - Eileen Scanlon, Institute of Educational Technology, Open University,
>>    UK
>>    - Matt Levinson, scientist, journalist, editor, writer, communicator
>>    - Becky Crew, COSMOS
>>    - Jessica Whittaker, BuzzNumbers
>>    - Peter Griffin, New Zealand Science Media Centre
>>    - Joan Leach, University of Queensland
>>    - Cobi Smith, RiAus
>>    - Will Rifkin , Australian Learning and Teaching Council
>>    - Thomas Tudehope, SR7
>>    - Will Grant, Political theorist and science communicator
>>    - Ben Hosken, Flink Labs
>> 
>>  With over 16+ sessions and workshops across the day we have packed
>> conference for science communicators, public information officers, media
>> professionals and government agencies.
>> 
>> Ticket pricing at $220 until the 8th April only. Register now at:
>> http://www.amiando.com/media140FrontiersBrisbane.html?page=463781
>> 
>> Ticket inc. conference pass, access to keynotes, panels. workshops, lunch
>> and cocktail party.
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>> From: Charles Willock <charlesw at cse.unsw.EDU.AU>
>> To: Susan Kirk <skirk at lingo.net.au>
>> Cc: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au, Charles Willock
>> <charlesw at cse.unsw.edu.au>
>> Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Cribb in the Canberra Times today
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>> Hi Susan / All,
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 04:58:22PM +1000, Susan Kirk wrote:
>>> A Union of Concerned Scientists?  I would donate.  I do already.  I've said
>>> this before if scientists want to be heard they have to exclude government
>>> funding.
>>> 
>>> I have three words to say to bullied scientists, blow your whistle!
>> 
>>    ... (for those who don't know from experience) it may help to include
>>    the other lines of the (imaginary) verse
>> 
>>    blow your whistle
>>    lose your job
>>    lose your savings
>>    lose your career
>>    lose your partner
>> 
>> I appreciate it doesn't scan completely, but the content is fairly clear.
>> 
>> Perhaps you would also care to enlighten us with your knowledge of how
>> commercial sources of funding are better ...
>> 
>> 
>> Charlesw
>> 
>> 
>>> Susan Kirk  Bcomm
>>> Journalist
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>>    1. Cribb in the Canberra Times today (Niall Byrne)
>>>>    2. WA: Mildew Mania - we need you! REGISTRATION EXTENDED
>>>>       (Emma Donnelly)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 01:31:50 +0000
>>>> From: Niall Byrne <niall at scienceinpublic.com.au>
>>>> To: "ASC list (asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au)" <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
>>>> Subject: [ASC-list] Cribb in the Canberra Times today
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 
<166E264E92C8CB4E95D73C52CDC47A96315F98E8 at mbx021-e2-nj-2.exch021.domain.loc>>>>
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>>>> l>
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> A terrific op-ed from Julian Cribb in the Canberra Times today which made
>>>> me
>>>> think about the IA conference last week. The impact of science on policy is
>>>> perhaps the biggest issue in science communication in Australia and
>>>> globally
>>>> right now. Yet it's one that is probably hard for IA to catalyse given it's
>>>> a
>>>> government program.
>>>> 
>>>> 
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/opinion/editorial/general/give-scienti>>>>
s
>>>> ts
>>>> -the-freedom-to-tell-the-truth-and-then-listen/2126645.aspx?storypage=0
>>>> 
>>>> Science has been marginalised by governments for too long and needs a
>>>> strong
>>>> national voice.
>>>> The evidence is mounting that Australian science is once more lost in the
>>>> dark
>>>> ages of political neglect and disfavour.
>>>> To the average Australian that might not seem to matter very much, but the
>>>> more thoughtful may no doubt reflect on the likely cost to the nation of
>>>> not
>>>> understanding our own environment, falling behind other advanced countries
>>>> and
>>>> not making national decisions on a sound evidential base...
>>>> One of the contributing reasons to the long, slow slide into marginality of
>>>> Australian science is its perpetual inability to speak out clearly,
>>>> frankly,
>>>> forcefully and often about the importance of science to the future of
>>>> Australia and the dangers of ignoring it...
>>>> ...But when you look at who speaks for Australian science, you find, almost
>>>> always, they are on the government payroll in one way or another. The
>>>> academies, the universities, the funding bodies, the science agencies, the
>>>> Cooperative Research Centres are all beholden to government funding and
>>>> fearful of its loss should they earn political displeasure by saying the
>>>> things science often has to say, which are not always pleasing to the
>>>> political ear. Only the Federation of Scientific and Technological
>>>> Societies
>>>> has a relatively independent voice, and it is neither very loud nor
>>>> forceful...
>>>> Julian then talks about a potential solution.
>>>> ________
>>>> 
>>>> Niall Byrne
>>>> 
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Science in Public
>>>> 
>>>> 82 Hudsons Road, Spotswood  Vic  3015
>>>> (PO Box 2076 Spotswood VIC 3015)
>>>> 03 9398-1416, 03 9078-5398, 0417 131 977
>>>> 
>>>> niall at scienceinpublic.com.au<mailto:niall at scienceinpublic.com.au>
>>>> Twitter scienceinpublic
>>>> www.scienceinpublic.com.au<http://www.scienceinpublic.com.au/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:00:24 +1000
>> From: Toss Gascoigne <director at tossgascoigne.com.au>
>> To: ASC ASC list <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
>> Subject: [ASC-list] Science lobby groups
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>> FASTS (the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological
>> Societies) was formed in 1985 to lobby Government.
>> 
>> It was expected to be more rowdy and less respectable than the Academy
>> of Science: science's own pit-bull terrier.  Apart from limited
>> support in the foundation year, FASTS was ruggedly independent.
>> 
>> The question of independence and Government money was regularly
>> debated at FASTS' Board meetings, especially in the hard times when
>> the organisation came close to folding in 1994-6.  But it survived
>> without Government money.  The sole source of income was membership
>> fees, and from 1999, sponsorship for its "Science meets Parliament"
>> event (including a small amount from the Federal Minister).
>> 
>> But then CHASS (the Council for the Humanities, Arts and Social
>> Sciences) came along, in 2002.  It sought and was given a one year
>> grant of $200,000 from Government to get underway.  The argument used
>> was that CHASS would be a funnel of advice from this sector back to
>> Government, and therefore useful in terms of policy formation.
>> 
>> Minister Brendan Nelson subsequently (and without being asked)
>> extended this into 5 year's worth of funding.  To be even-handed, he
>> gave the same deal to FASTS, apparently without consulting them.
>> 
>> So to Susan's implied question: does this make for tamer lobby groups?
>> 
>> The answer is yes.
>> 
>> 
>> Toss Gascoigne
>> (former ED FASTS 1995-2003, former ED CHASS 2004-8)
>> 
>> ************
>> Toss Gascoigne and Associates
>> 56 Vasey Cres
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> Susan et al
> 
> FASTS an independent voice for science?  Yes, why not?  I'm sure
> that's what they'd claim.
> 
> But if the advocacy body is drawing half its funds from Government, it
> can have the effect of, well, softening criticism it may otherwise
> have made.  This does not necessarily mean the advocacy body becomes
> ineffective.
> 
> You mentioned the Crawford Fund as being involved in 'some really good
> lobbying' at Parliament House yesterday.  At least ten Government
> Departments are listed on its website as 30 sponsoring bodies:
> 
> http://www.crawfordfund.org/about/contribute.html
> 
> Toss Gascoigne
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