[ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion

Mobile Science Education info at mobilescienceeducation.com.au
Fri Nov 15 00:31:53 UTC 2013

As a hard working science communicator myself, I'm wary of even a suggestion
that hard work can shield a person from criticism. But that aside, ASC seems
to have a pretty nasty chicken and egg problem: you need more members in
order to have the funds to provide the resources and activities that would
be needed in order to attract more members.


I do wonder if part of the problem is simply that ASC as a whole simply
isn't very clear about its purpose. At least in a professional association
of doctors or lawyers, everyone in the association agrees about what a
doctor or lawyer is. Science Communication seems to be a very vague grab-bag
of notions; is it a science journalist, a media advisor, someone who works
in the media department of an industry, a Doctor Karl, a Questacon Science
Circus graduate, a small science-education-support business owner, a
free-lance writer, a member of a grants steering committee, etc, etc, etc.
Please don't reply to say that it's all of those things, because at ASC it
clearly is not; my own field is one that is either ignored or condescended


Having said that, I still like the idea of an association of people
passionate about communicating science, and will happily pay my membership
fee (currently overdue, must get to that.) but I don't know that I'd pay
more unless it became clearer exactly what I was paying for.


It seems that the majority of the time and energy resources available go to
the annual conference. Is anyone questioning whether this is the best use of
our very limited resources? It would seem that an expensive conference that
the majority of members can't get to, that accomplishes little of concrete
value (saying that we need to establish best practice models does nothing to
help establish best practice models), and uses the lion's share of our
resources, ought to be questioned quite closely.


So, having lit that fuse, I'll now return to lurking and getting my actual
work done.


Lee Harrison

Mobile Science Education


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From: ASC-list [mailto:asc-list-bounces at lists.asc.asn.au] On Behalf Of Jess
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 10:18 AM
To: Ian M.
Cc: Susan Kirk; Asc List
Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion


I'll bite too.


AS a founding member and past Exec member, I"ve seen ASC go through many,
many iterations of how it presents to the world. Websites, newsletters,
ideas for people's pet projects, ideas for great political change, ideas and
projects that advance our cause. It all comes and goes in the natural cycle
of life in a non-professional volunteer industry representative group.


I've also seen a lot of people not turn up to events or give feedback. Me
included. I've seen states work so hard on initiatives that flop through
lack of interest. I coordinated here in Tasmania for 14 years and tried
every thing I could think of to engage members and I ended up stepping aside
because I was exhausted from the effort for no gain and with little support.


I've also seen a lot of people complain but not do anything or volunteer


ASC constantly asks what members want.


And many of us do put up project proposals that don't get acted upon, but
this is life. Because it is a voluntary group, with scant resources, and as
usual, only the solid few have the energy and drive outside their day jobs
to put effort in on a consistent basis.


I have my times of loving/hating ASC, but it has never failed to strive for
its objectives, and it is the only group in Australia with a charter to
advance the profession of science communication in society. I will always
support its existence, even though I don't always support individual
tactics. This is part of a growing and developing organisation.


I would happily pay double my membership fee if that meant equipping the nat
exec with the resources it needs to reach to the next level. Hell, I'd even
triple it. This is my profession and I want to belong to a group of people
who are 'my' people.


If you don't like the ASC-media list, or SCOPE, don't subscribe to it - we
are a democracy - and see it for what it is: a posting list for media items
to whoever wants to look.


If you want to communicate about communicating - go ahead!


But please don't bag out the organisation and the people who work so hard.


Jess Tyler

SciBiz Media & Communications

ASC Founding Member #71



Jess Tyler

SciBiz Media & Communications

M: 0408 298 292


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Ian M. <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com
<mailto:ianmcd85 at hotmail.com> > wrote:

I'll bite....

Knowing a little bit about how the ASC runs, being actively involved over
the past 3 years - to post onto the ASC e-lists you need to be a member but
to receive the emails posted to the list - you don't...so potentially people
who are emailing you back privately aren't members but want to reply?

I agree the list should be about us starting discussions, learning about
events in your region and getting advice from those in the
field....obviously the media list should be kept to media releases and
promoting science.

I hope someone from the exec replies but I know that alot of the things you
have suggested such as website and professionalism are well underway and I
also look forward to hearing of the progress as well  - potentially at
National AGM. Which - just to remind you the ACT branch is hosting on the
29th of November, so hopefully local members can come along if in Canberra.

I disagree with your comment on the Scope Newsletter - what is the
justification for saying it's a flop? I thoroughly enjoy recieving it each
month and think more members should contribute. Plus I always read a message
from the National President giving us updates on national activities -

As for members not being involved in events - the ACT branch ran multiple
events this year targeted at members and didn't get a great response - so
this is something our committee is working on, the age old question - what
do members want? 

How do we best target events for our members? Do members want more webinars
rather then events you have to physically attend? 

We are using ASC money after all to run these, so we want to make sure that
members are happy with what we are doing.

As Susan stated, join in, it is a great way to learn from each other - we
are all a friendly bunch and if you are worried about posting from your work
email - post from a personal email.


Dr Ian McDonald

Science writer and presenter


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M: 0439 746 556
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:23:11 +1000
From: skirk at iprimus.com.au <mailto:skirk at iprimus.com.au> 

To: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au <mailto:asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au> 
Subject: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion

I think Charles has a valid point..  ASC is beginning to look like
Food4media or TravMedia. 

Maybe we should do what some other associations do and charge a premium for
these media release postings? They are after all advertising.  I think there
are other better places to get media release, AusSMC, Eureka, Google alerts
are a few of the places I subscribe and of course science direct topic

I personally would like to see more communication about communication on
this list.  I know you can take the horse to water etc. But why don't
members feel comfortable airing their bits on here?  So many times people
have responded to me off the list.  I feel like shouting.  Keep it on the

I would also like to see more communication from the executive on this list.
We haven't heard anything about the new website.  We keep employing scope
editors and the newsletter keeps flopping.  We keep talking about becoming
more professional but what's happening to our charter and code of ethics?  

Members are not involved in any of the communications for any of the events
or funding or anything really, the only communication comes from those few
that can be bothered to raise questions or liaise on the list. 

I repeat.  We can't operate in a vacuum.  

Please don't email me off the list with your replies.  Keep it on the list.


Susan Fairbairn (nee Kirk)   B.comm  freelance Journalist
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