[ASC-list] ASC-list Digest, Vol 108, Issue 28

Marina Hurley info at writingclearscience.com.au
Fri Nov 15 02:02:57 UTC 2013


My five cents worth.

What I see arising from this recent discussion is that things always get
back to time and $. I have been an ASC member for roughly 10 years (and
what I like the most about ASC are the discussions on the list). However,
like many people, I do not have a lot of spare time and therefore have not
been an overly active member. But I did put my hand up last year to offer
to help devise an ASC style guide. I also recently mooted an idea with some
ASC members (off-list) for ASC to possibly coordinate  week-long 'science
communication boot camps' for scientists where the educators amongst us can
pool our resources and expertise and perhaps offer a commercially-viable
and professional standard training course. For ideas like this to make
traction, we need people with time. There are probably heaps of ideas like
this amongst our membership and many like me who could part with short bits
of time, here are there. But how to coordinate this? What if we were to
have a paid volunteers coordinator who would also oversee tasks and ask for
assistance when needed? Also such a person could set tasks that are
definable in time and scope and ensure that they are completed or passed
on. Personally I would be willing to pay a high membership fee (within
reason) to help ASC in this way and to help move it to a professional body.

cheers

Marina



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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Susan Kirk <skirk at iprimus.com.au>
> To: <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:33:57 +1000
> Subject: [ASC-list] The future of science comms
> Hi Susan,
>
> I tried to post the following message to the ASC group but I'm not a paid
> member so it bounced. If you want to reply with it on my behalf, feel
> free.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> We write about unpublished research quite regularly. As I'm sure many of
> you
> know, in many areas, peer review is simply not relevant to journalists (and
> increasingly the scientists) anymore. For example, did anyone even notice
> when the Higgs-like boson discovery was published in PRL? It was a long
> time
> after it was announced by CMS and ATLAS at the LHC and by then nobody in
> the
> general press was interested anymore.
>
> In some areas of life-sciences too, there are large teams of enormously
> respected scientists racing similar teams elsewhere to produce something.
> In
> many of those cases, I see no problem whatsoever reporting on unpublished
> research. The stories I'm most proud of are actually ones I've written
> about
> research that hasn't been published. Two of those recently were in the life
> sciences. One was on cancer research and the other on growing human organs
> in pigs. The first of those was recognised this week with an award by COSA,
> showing that clinicians and researchers agree these are good things to
> report.
>
> The whole question of whether you should *only* report peer-reviewed
> research, I think, is raised only if you see yourself as doing PR for
> science. If you're promoting science, then of course, the institutions
> within science like peer review will be treated as sacred. (Although I have
> no idea how you would ever report on particle physics, then.) If you're a
> journalist, peer review is important, but it's just one factor among many.
> For any good journalist, the question is about the credibility of the
> research, which is more than just about whether it's been published in a
> peer-reviewed journal.
>
> And just RE what Ian said. Yeah -- lots of researchers do put unpublished
> data online. arXiv has been around for a long time and is a central part of
> many physical sciences. But in life sciences, there are things that go even
> further: open-source research where it's a free, open collaboration of
> researchers all around the world. For example, check
> out http://opensourcemalaria.org/
>
>
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> >    1. Re: Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion (Jess Tyler)
> >    2. Re: Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion (Pete Wheeler)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:19 +1100
> > From: Jess Tyler <jessyorta at gmail.com>
> > To: "Ian M." <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: Susan Kirk <skirk at iprimus.com.au>, Asc List
> > <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> > Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAPedeyfDS79XZ6H96efTs9gbyL+26hW14EcrbNk17oXiUr89Eg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > I'll bite too.
> >
> > AS a founding member and past Exec member, I"ve seen ASC go through many,
> > many iterations of how it presents to the world. Websites, newsletters,
> > ideas for people's pet projects, ideas for great political change, ideas
> > and projects that advance our cause. It all comes and goes in the natural
> > cycle of life in a non-professional volunteer industry representative
> group.
> >
> > I've also seen a lot of people not turn up to events or give feedback. Me
> > included. I've seen states work so hard on initiatives that flop through
> > lack of interest. I coordinated here in Tasmania for 14 years and tried
> > every thing I could think of to engage members and I ended up stepping
> > aside because I was exhausted from the effort for no gain and with little
> > support.
> >
> > I've also seen a lot of people complain but not do anything or volunteer
> > anything.
> >
> > ASC constantly asks what members want.
> >
> > And many of us do put up project proposals that don't get acted upon, but
> > this is life. Because it is a voluntary group, with scant resources, and
> as
> > usual, only the solid few have the energy and drive outside their day
> jobs
> > to put effort in on a consistent basis.
> >
> > I have my times of loving/hating ASC, but it has never failed to strive
> for
> > its objectives, and it is the only group in Australia with a charter to
> > advance the profession of science communication in society. I will always
> > support its existence, even though I don't always support individual
> > tactics. This is part of a growing and developing organisation.
> >
> > I would happily pay double my membership fee if that meant equipping the
> > nat exec with the resources it needs to reach to the next level. Hell,
> I'd
> > even triple it. This is my profession and I want to belong to a group of
> > people who are 'my' people.
> >
> > If you don't like the ASC-media list, or SCOPE, don't subscribe to it -
> we
> > are a democracy - and see it for what it is: a posting list for media
> items
> > to whoever wants to look.
> >
> > If you want to communicate about communicating - go ahead!
> >
> > But please don't bag out the organisation and the people who work so
> hard.
> >
> > Jess Tyler
> > SciBiz Media & Communications
> > ASC Founding Member #71
> >
> >
> >
> > Jess Tyler
> > SciBiz Media & Communications
> > M: 0408 298 292
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Ian M. <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll bite....
> >>
> >> Knowing a little bit about how the ASC runs, being actively involved
> over
> >> the past 3 years - to post onto the ASC e-lists you need to be a member
> but
> >> to receive the emails posted to the list - you don't...so potentially
> >> people who are emailing you back privately aren't members but want to
> reply?
> >>
> >> I agree the list should be about us starting discussions, learning about
> >> events in your region and getting advice from those in the
> >> field....obviously the media list should be kept to media releases and
> >> promoting science.
> >>
> >> I hope someone from the exec replies but I know that alot of the things
> >> you have suggested such as website and professionalism are well underway
> >> and I also look forward to hearing of the progress as well  -
> potentially
> >> at National AGM. Which - just to remind you the ACT branch is hosting on
> >> the 29th of November, so hopefully local members can come along if in
> >> Canberra.
> >>
> >> I disagree with your comment on the Scope Newsletter - what is the
> >> justification for saying it's a flop? I thoroughly enjoy recieving it
> each
> >> month and think more members should contribute. Plus I always read a
> >> message from the National President giving us updates on national
> >> activities -
> >>
> http://www.asc.asn.au/blog/2013/11/02/presidents-update-rocketing-towards-the
> >> -end-of-the-year-agm-and-members-abroad/
> >>
> >> As for members not being involved in events - the ACT branch ran
> multiple
> >> events this year targeted at members and didn't get a great response -
> so
> >> this is something our committee is working on, the age old question -
> *what
> >> do members want? *
> >>
> >> How do we best target events for our members? Do members want more
> >> webinars rather then events you have to physically attend?
> >>
> >> We are using ASC money after all to run these, so we want to make sure
> >> that members are happy with what we are doing.
> >>
> >> As Susan stated, join in, it is a great way to learn from each other -
> we
> >> are all a friendly bunch and if you are worried about posting from your
> >> work email - post from a personal email.
> >>
> >> Ian
> >>
> >> *Dr Ian McDonald*
> >> *Science writer and presenter*
> >>
> >> *E: ianmcd85 at hotmail.com <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com>*
> >> *M: 0439 746 556*
> >>
> >> *Twitter: @ianmcd85Skype: ianmcd85*
> >>
> >> *ABN: 91 575 957 824*
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:23:11 +1000
> >> From: skirk at iprimus.com.au
> >>
> >> To: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au
> >> Subject: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
> >>
> >> I think Charles has a valid point..  ASC is beginning to look like
> >> Food4media or TravMedia.
> >>
> >> Maybe we should do what some other associations do and charge a premium
> >> for these media release postings? They are after all advertising.  I
> think
> >> there are other better places to get media release, AusSMC, Eureka,
> Google
> >> alerts are a few of the places I subscribe and of course science direct
> >> topic alerts.
> >>
> >> I personally would like to see more communication about communication on
> >> this list.  I know you can take the horse to water etc. But why don't
> >> members feel comfortable airing their bits on here?  So many times
> people
> >> have responded to me off the list.  I feel like shouting.  Keep it on
> the
> >> list.
> >>
> >> I would also like to see more communication from the executive on this
> >> list.  We haven't heard anything about the new website.  We keep
> employing
> >> scope editors and the newsletter keeps flopping.  We keep talking about
> >> becoming more professional but what's happening to our charter and code
> of
> >> ethics?
> >>
> >> Members are not involved in any of the communications for any of the
> >> events or funding or anything really, the only communication comes from
> >> those few that can be bothered to raise questions or liaise on the list.
> >>
> >> I repeat.  We can't operate in a vacuum.
> >>
> >> Please don't email me off the list with your replies.  Keep it on the
> list.
> >>
> >>
> >> S
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> * Susan Fairbairn (nee Kirk)  * B.comm  freelance Journalist
> >> Member and Queensland Web Editor -  Australian Science Communicators
> (ASC)
> >> Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance (MEAA)
> >> tel: +61 7 5478 6761 | mobile: 0414645953 | email:
> susan at susankirk.com.au
> >> www.susankirk.com.au |  Skype: susanakirk | Tweet: @SusanAKirk
> >> Facebook group: Plant Power
> >>
> >>
> >> *?If you don?t ask the right questions you won?t get the right
> answers.? *
> >>
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> >> list at asc.asn.au
> >>
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> > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:54:36 +0800
> > From: Pete Wheeler <pete.wheeler at uwa.edu.au>
> > To: Asc List <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> > Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
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> > Well said Ian. I too think the Newsletter is going very well and I'd be
> very
> > interested to hear the feedback of others on the list. I have found
> myself
> > reading almost every article each time it lands in my inbox.
> >
> > Like the ACT committee, the WA committee is made up of passionate people
> > giving what time and energy they can to help design and deliver events
> that
> > cater for our members. As for the ASC exec, having been Treasurer for
> the past
> > 6 months or so, I'm very impressed by the commitment and level of
> activity
> > I've encountered, but I can see that while there's lots of things
> happening
> > behind the scenes, this can go unseen by the rest of the association
> > (especially if you're not reading the Presidents update) until things are
> > suitably well progressed to be let out into the open.
> >
> > At the end of the day the ASC is a relatively small association (~450
> members)
> > with a small executive team trying to do a lot in their spare time. I
> would
> > encourage any members who want to play a part in brining about the new
> era of
> > ASC to let the executive know. There's plenty of work to go around I
> assure
> > you. Right now the conference, a major affair, is dominating the
> bandwidth of
> > most of the executive, but even while this is happening we're trying to
> > organise the AGM, get branches to report a little on their activities,
> deal
> > with some very important matters relating to our Not For Profit and tax
> status
> > and get all our ducks in a row to make sure that the ASC continues to
> grow,
> > evolve and flourish in the years to come. This all takes time,
> especially when
> > most of those doing this work are volunteers trying to get things done in
> > between making ends meet.
> >
> > Regards
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > Pete Wheeler
> > Manager, Outreach & Education
> > Ph: +61 8 6488 7758
> > Ph: +61 423 98 2018
> > ICRAR: Discovering the hidden Universe through radio astronomy
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> > A9CB83CB9 at ivec.org]<http://www.icrar.org/><http://www.icrar.org/><
> http://www.i
> > crar.org/>
> > <http://www.icrar.org/>www.icrar.org<http://www.icrar.org/> | Subscribe
> to
> > ICRAR's eNewsletter<http://www.icrar.org/#subscribe> | ICRAR on
> > Twitter<http://twitter.com/icrar> | ICRAR on Facebook
> > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/ICRAR/199692286227>
> >
> > On 15/11/2013, at 7:00 AM, Ian M. wrote:
> >
> > I'll bite....
> >
> > Knowing a little bit about how the ASC runs, being actively involved
> over the
> > past 3 years - to post onto the ASC e-lists you need to be a member but
> to
> > receive the emails posted to the list - you don't...so potentially
> people who
> > are emailing you back privately aren't members but want to reply?
> >
> > I agree the list should be about us starting discussions, learning about
> > events in your region and getting advice from those in the
> field....obviously
> > the media list should be kept to media releases and promoting science.
> >
> > I hope someone from the exec replies but I know that alot of the things
> you
> > have suggested such as website and professionalism are well underway and
> I
> > also look forward to hearing of the progress as well  - potentially at
> > National AGM. Which - just to remind you the ACT branch is hosting on
> the 29th
> > of November, so hopefully local members can come along if in Canberra.
> >
> > I disagree with your comment on the Scope Newsletter - what is the
> > justification for saying it's a flop? I thoroughly enjoy recieving it
> each
> > month and think more members should contribute. Plus I always read a
> message
> > from the National President giving us updates on national activities -
> >
> http://www.asc.asn.au/blog/2013/11/02/presidents-update-rocketing-towards-the-
> > end-of-the-year-agm-and-members-abroad/
> >
> > As for members not being involved in events - the ACT branch ran multiple
> > events this year targeted at members and didn't get a great response -
> so this
> > is something our committee is working on, the age old question - what do
> > members want?
> >
> > How do we best target events for our members? Do members want more
> webinars
> > rather then events you have to physically attend?
> >
> > We are using ASC money after all to run these, so we want to make sure
> that
> > members are happy with what we are doing.
> >
> > As Susan stated, join in, it is a great way to learn from each other -
> we are
> > all a friendly bunch and if you are worried about posting from your work
> email
> > - post from a personal email.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > Dr Ian McDonald
> > Science writer and presenter
> >
> > E: ianmcd85 at hotmail.com<mailto:ianmcd85 at hotmail.com>
> > M: 0439 746 556
> > Twitter: @ianmcd85
> > Skype: ianmcd85
> >
> > ABN: 91 575 957 824
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:23:11 +1000
> > From: skirk at iprimus.com.au<mailto:skirk at iprimus.com.au>
> > To: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au<mailto:asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> > Subject: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
> >
> > I think Charles has a valid point..  ASC is beginning to look like
> Food4media
> > or TravMedia.
> >
> > Maybe we should do what some other associations do and charge a premium
> for
> > these media release postings? They are after all advertising.  I think
> there
> > are other better places to get media release, AusSMC, Eureka, Google
> alerts
> > are a few of the places I subscribe and of course science direct topic
> alerts.
> >
> > I personally would like to see more communication about communication on
> this
> > list.  I know you can take the horse to water etc. But why don't members
> feel
> > comfortable airing their bits on here?  So many times people have
> responded to
> > me off the list.  I feel like shouting.  Keep it on the list.
> >
> > I would also like to see more communication from the executive on this
> list.
> > We haven't heard anything about the new website.  We keep employing scope
> > editors and the newsletter keeps flopping.  We keep talking about
> becoming
> > more professional but what's happening to our charter and code of ethics?
> >
> > Members are not involved in any of the communications for any of the
> events or
> > funding or anything really, the only communication comes from those few
> that
> > can be bothered to raise questions or liaise on the list.
> >
> > I repeat.  We can't operate in a vacuum.
> >
> > Please don't email me off the list with your replies.  Keep it on the
> list.
> >
> >
> > S
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Susan Fairbairn (nee Kirk)   B.comm  freelance Journalist
> > Member and Queensland Web Editor -  Australian Science Communicators
> (ASC)
> > Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance (MEAA)
> > tel: +61 7 5478 6761 | mobile: 0414645953 | email:
> > susan at susankirk.com.au<http://susan@susankirk.com.au>
> > www.susankirk.com.au<http://www.susankirk.com.au> |  Skype: susanakirk |
> > Tweet: @SusanAKirk
> > Facebook group: Plant Power
> >
> > ?If you don?t ask the right questions you won?t get the right answers.?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ ASC-list mailing list
> > list at asc.asn.au<mailto:list at asc.asn.au>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Mobile Science Education" <info at mobilescienceeducation.com.au>
> To: "'Asc List'" <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:30:00 +1030
> Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
>
> As a hard working science communicator myself, I’m wary of even a
> suggestion that hard work can shield a person from criticism. But that
> aside, ASC seems to have a pretty nasty chicken and egg problem: you need
> more members in order to have the funds to provide the resources and
> activities that would be needed in order to attract more members…
>
>
>
> I do wonder if part of the problem is simply that ASC as a whole simply
> isn’t very clear about its purpose. At least in a professional association
> of doctors or lawyers, everyone in the association agrees about what a
> doctor or lawyer is. Science Communication seems to be a very vague
> grab-bag of notions; is it a science journalist, a media advisor, someone
> who works in the media department of an industry, a Doctor Karl, a
> Questacon Science Circus graduate, a small science-education-support
> business owner, a free-lance writer, a member of a grants steering
> committee, etc, etc, etc…  Please don’t reply to say that it’s all of those
> things, because at ASC it clearly is not; my own field is one that is
> either ignored or condescended to.
>
>
>
> Having said that, I still like the idea of an association of people
> passionate about communicating science, and will happily pay my membership
> fee (currently overdue, must get to that…) but I don’t know that I’d pay
> more unless it became clearer exactly what I was paying for.
>
>
>
> It seems that the majority of the time and energy resources available go
> to the annual conference. Is anyone questioning whether this is the best
> use of our very limited resources? It would seem that an expensive
> conference that the majority of members can’t get to, that accomplishes
> little of concrete value (saying that we need to establish best practice
> models does nothing to help establish best practice models), and uses the
> lion’s share of our resources, ought to be questioned quite closely.
>
>
>
> So, having lit that fuse, I’ll now return to lurking and getting my actual
> work done…
>
>
>
> Lee Harrison
>
> Mobile Science Education
>
>
>
> 0430 588 757 or (08) 8395 9586
>
> info at mobilescienceeducation.com.au
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>
>
> *From:* ASC-list [mailto:asc-list-bounces at lists.asc.asn.au] *On Behalf Of
> *Jess Tyler
> *Sent:* Friday, 15 November 2013 10:18 AM
> *To:* Ian M.
> *Cc:* Susan Kirk; Asc List
> *Subject:* Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
>
>
>
> I'll bite too.
>
>
>
> AS a founding member and past Exec member, I"ve seen ASC go through many,
> many iterations of how it presents to the world. Websites, newsletters,
> ideas for people's pet projects, ideas for great political change, ideas
> and projects that advance our cause. It all comes and goes in the natural
> cycle of life in a non-professional volunteer industry representative group.
>
>
>
> I've also seen a lot of people not turn up to events or give feedback. Me
> included. I've seen states work so hard on initiatives that flop through
> lack of interest. I coordinated here in Tasmania for 14 years and tried
> every thing I could think of to engage members and I ended up stepping
> aside because I was exhausted from the effort for no gain and with little
> support.
>
>
>
> I've also seen a lot of people complain but not do anything or volunteer
> anything.
>
>
>
> ASC constantly asks what members want.
>
>
>
> And many of us do put up project proposals that don't get acted upon, but
> this is life. Because it is a voluntary group, with scant resources, and as
> usual, only the solid few have the energy and drive outside their day jobs
> to put effort in on a consistent basis.
>
>
>
> I have my times of loving/hating ASC, but it has never failed to strive
> for its objectives, and it is the only group in Australia with a charter to
> advance the profession of science communication in society. I will always
> support its existence, even though I don't always support individual
> tactics. This is part of a growing and developing organisation.
>
>
>
> I would happily pay double my membership fee if that meant equipping the
> nat exec with the resources it needs to reach to the next level. Hell, I'd
> even triple it. This is my profession and I want to belong to a group of
> people who are 'my' people.
>
>
>
> If you don't like the ASC-media list, or SCOPE, don't subscribe to it - we
> are a democracy - and see it for what it is: a posting list for media items
> to whoever wants to look.
>
>
>
> If you want to communicate about communicating - go ahead!
>
>
>
> But please don't bag out the organisation and the people who work so hard.
>
>
>
> Jess Tyler
>
> SciBiz Media & Communications
>
> ASC Founding Member #71
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jess Tyler
>
> SciBiz Media & Communications
>
> M: 0408 298 292
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Ian M. <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll bite....
>
> Knowing a little bit about how the ASC runs, being actively involved over
> the past 3 years - to post onto the ASC e-lists you need to be a member but
> to receive the emails posted to the list - you don't...so potentially
> people who are emailing you back privately aren't members but want to reply?
>
> I agree the list should be about us starting discussions, learning about
> events in your region and getting advice from those in the
> field....obviously the media list should be kept to media releases and
> promoting science.
>
> I hope someone from the exec replies but I know that alot of the things
> you have suggested such as website and professionalism are well underway
> and I also look forward to hearing of the progress as well  - potentially
> at National AGM. Which - just to remind you the ACT branch is hosting on
> the 29th of November, so hopefully local members can come along if in
> Canberra.
>
> I disagree with your comment on the Scope Newsletter - what is the
> justification for saying it's a flop? I thoroughly enjoy recieving it each
> month and think more members should contribute. Plus I always read a
> message from the National President giving us updates on national
> activities -
> http://www.asc.asn.au/blog/2013/11/02/presidents-update-rocketing-towards-the-end-of-the-year-agm-and-members-abroad/
>
> As for members not being involved in events - the ACT branch ran multiple
> events this year targeted at members and didn't get a great response - so
> this is something our committee is working on, the age old question - *what
> do members want? *
>
> How do we best target events for our members? Do members want more
> webinars rather then events you have to physically attend?
>
> We are using ASC money after all to run these, so we want to make sure
> that members are happy with what we are doing.
>
> As Susan stated, join in, it is a great way to learn from each other - we
> are all a friendly bunch and if you are worried about posting from your
> work email - post from a personal email.
>
> Ian
>
> *Dr Ian McDonald*
>
> *Science writer and presenter*
>
>
>
> *E:** ianmcd85 at hotmail.com <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com>*
>
> *M: 0439 746 556*
> *Twitter: @ianmcd85*
> *Skype: ianmcd85*
>
>
>
> *ABN: 91 575 957 824*
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:23:11 +1000
> From: skirk at iprimus.com.au
>
>
> To: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au
> Subject: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
>
> I think Charles has a valid point..  ASC is beginning to look like
> Food4media or TravMedia.
>
> Maybe we should do what some other associations do and charge a premium
> for these media release postings? They are after all advertising.  I think
> there are other better places to get media release, AusSMC, Eureka, Google
> alerts are a few of the places I subscribe and of course science direct
> topic alerts.
>
> I personally would like to see more communication about communication on
> this list.  I know you can take the horse to water etc. But why don't
> members feel comfortable airing their bits on here?  So many times people
> have responded to me off the list.  I feel like shouting.  Keep it on the
> list.
>
> I would also like to see more communication from the executive on this
> list.  We haven't heard anything about the new website.  We keep employing
> scope editors and the newsletter keeps flopping.  We keep talking about
> becoming more professional but what's happening to our charter and code of
> ethics?
>
> Members are not involved in any of the communications for any of the
> events or funding or anything really, the only communication comes from
> those few that can be bothered to raise questions or liaise on the list.
>
> I repeat.  We can't operate in a vacuum.
>
> Please don't email me off the list with your replies.  Keep it on the list.
>
>
> S
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Susan Fairbairn (nee Kirk)   *B.comm  freelance Journalist
> Member and Queensland Web Editor -  Australian Science Communicators (ASC)
> Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance (MEAA)
> tel: +61 7 5478 6761 | mobile: 0414645953 | email: susan at susankirk.com.au
> www.susankirk.com.au |  Skype: susanakirk | Tweet: @SusanAKirk
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