[ASC-list] Where is the ASC headed and top 10 reasons

Susan Kirk skirk at iprimus.com.au
Fri Nov 15 02:12:08 UTC 2013


It seems to me there is a slight overlap of benefits here.  The question is
do ASC members think they are getting these benefits or is/was this a
wishlist?  

I agree members should be proactive and attend branch meetings etc but how
to achieve this where members may also be located rurally, as is my case.

That is why I think we need to up the ante when it comes to online comms.  I
agree with mobile science education I think we are putting all of our eggs
into workshops and conferences, that even by the executive's admission don't
make a profit or some years don't even break even.

Again I see there is no mention of a code of ethics in that list.


 
S


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> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:41:21 +0800
> From: Nancy Longnecker <nancy.longnecker at uwa.edu.au>
> To: Jess Tyler <jessyorta at gmail.com>
> Cc: Asc List <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
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> Yes, I'll bite too. It's great when we get passionate discussion on this list!
> 
> Like Jess, I've seen many cycles in ASC and participated in voluntary capacity
> through both highs and lows of ASC. My perception is that ASC is currently a
> healthy and active organisation, albeit small and run by volunteers.
> 
> Perhaps my perception is coloured by being member of a currently active branch
> with regular events coordinated by a small but significant band of
> enthusiastic members. My perception is also fuelled by being part of
> behind-the-scenes national activity in lead up to conference. From this
> perspective, ASC is flourishing.
> 
> An aside on the conference: Not everyone can get to them. I couldn't attend
> the one in Sydney. But the biennial gathering of science communicators for a
> face to face meeting is crucial. For me, attending the Melbourne PCST
> conference changed the course of my career. It was an eye opener to realise
> there were other people who were passionate about communicating science. I
> know our conferences are unlikely to be life-changing experiences most of the
> time, but they can have useful and significant influence on development of
> collaborations, improved professional practice and revitalisation of
> motivation to continue to make efforts that can otherwise seem unappreciated.
> They eat up a lot of resources. But least as much effort goes in to local
> branches.
> 
> Depending on where you are, make an effort to go to your branch activities and
> support the small band of people who are working hard to put on worthwhile
> activities. What you get out is directly related to what you put in.
> 
> Another aside on code of ethics: I strongly agree with Julian's assertion of
> the importance of a code of ethics. This is something that I see developing at
> a pace too slow for some but developing nonetheless. Not having an official
> code of ethics (yet) does not prevent us progressing in parallel with the many
> fantastic initiatives that are happening around the country.
> 
> So the question ASC continues to face is: why pay a relatively low membership
> fee to be part of a national organisation that is committed to furthering
> professional development and recognition of those of us who communicate
> science? I'll post in another email Top 10 Reasons You Should Join ASC that
> the WA branch came up with years ago (courtesy Brendon Cant, from memory).
> 
> Kind regards, Nancy
> 
> Professor Nancy Longnecker
> Science Communication
> School of Animal Biology, M092
> The University of Western Australia
> 35 Stirling Highway
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> From: Jess Tyler <jessyorta at gmail.com<mailto:jessyorta at gmail.com>>
> Date: Friday, 15 November 2013 7:48 AM
> To: "Ian M." <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com<mailto:ianmcd85 at hotmail.com>>
> Cc: Susan Kirk <skirk at iprimus.com.au<mailto:skirk at iprimus.com.au>>, Asc List
> <asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au<mailto:asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>>
> Subject: Re: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
> 
> I'll bite too.
> 
> AS a founding member and past Exec member, I"ve seen ASC go through many, many
> iterations of how it presents to the world. Websites, newsletters, ideas for
> people's pet projects, ideas for great political change, ideas and projects
> that advance our cause. It all comes and goes in the natural cycle of life in
> a non-professional volunteer industry representative group.
> 
> I've also seen a lot of people not turn up to events or give feedback. Me
> included. I've seen states work so hard on initiatives that flop through lack
> of interest. I coordinated here in Tasmania for 14 years and tried every thing
> I could think of to engage members and I ended up stepping aside because I was
> exhausted from the effort for no gain and with little support.
> 
> I've also seen a lot of people complain but not do anything or volunteer
> anything.
> 
> ASC constantly asks what members want.
> 
> And many of us do put up project proposals that don't get acted upon, but this
> is life. Because it is a voluntary group, with scant resources, and as usual,
> only the solid few have the energy and drive outside their day jobs to put
> effort in on a consistent basis.
> 
> I have my times of loving/hating ASC, but it has never failed to strive for
> its objectives, and it is the only group in Australia with a charter to
> advance the profession of science communication in society. I will always
> support its existence, even though I don't always support individual tactics.
> This is part of a growing and developing organisation.
> 
> I would happily pay double my membership fee if that meant equipping the nat
> exec with the resources it needs to reach to the next level. Hell, I'd even
> triple it. This is my profession and I want to belong to a group of people who
> are 'my' people.
> 
> If you don't like the ASC-media list, or SCOPE, don't subscribe to it - we are
> a democracy - and see it for what it is: a posting list for media items to
> whoever wants to look.
> 
> If you want to communicate about communicating - go ahead!
> 
> But please don't bag out the organisation and the people who work so hard.
> 
> Jess Tyler
> SciBiz Media & Communications
> ASC Founding Member #71
> 
> 
> 
> Jess Tyler
> SciBiz Media & Communications
> M: 0408 298 292
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> 
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Ian M.
> <ianmcd85 at hotmail.com<mailto:ianmcd85 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> I'll bite....
> 
> Knowing a little bit about how the ASC runs, being actively involved over the
> past 3 years - to post onto the ASC e-lists you need to be a member but to
> receive the emails posted to the list - you don't...so potentially people who
> are emailing you back privately aren't members but want to reply?
> 
> I agree the list should be about us starting discussions, learning about
> events in your region and getting advice from those in the field....obviously
> the media list should be kept to media releases and promoting science.
> 
> I hope someone from the exec replies but I know that alot of the things you
> have suggested such as website and professionalism are well underway and I
> also look forward to hearing of the progress as well  - potentially at
> National AGM. Which - just to remind you the ACT branch is hosting on the 29th
> of November, so hopefully local members can come along if in Canberra.
> 
> I disagree with your comment on the Scope Newsletter - what is the
> justification for saying it's a flop? I thoroughly enjoy recieving it each
> month and think more members should contribute. Plus I always read a message
> from the National President giving us updates on national activities -
> http://www.asc.asn.au/blog/2013/11/02/presidents-update-rocketing-towards-the-
> end-of-the-year-agm-and-members-abroad/
> 
> As for members not being involved in events - the ACT branch ran multiple
> events this year targeted at members and didn't get a great response - so this
> is something our committee is working on, the age old question - what do
> members want?
> 
> How do we best target events for our members? Do members want more webinars
> rather then events you have to physically attend?
> 
> We are using ASC money after all to run these, so we want to make sure that
> members are happy with what we are doing.
> 
> As Susan stated, join in, it is a great way to learn from each other - we are
> all a friendly bunch and if you are worried about posting from your work email
> - post from a personal email.
> 
> Ian
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> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:23:11 +1000
> From: skirk at iprimus.com.au<mailto:skirk at iprimus.com.au>
> 
> To: asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au<mailto:asc-list at lists.asc.asn.au>
> Subject: [ASC-list] Where's ASC headed? Was science or persuasion
> 
> I think Charles has a valid point..  ASC is beginning to look like Food4media
> or TravMedia.
> 
> Maybe we should do what some other associations do and charge a premium for
> these media release postings? They are after all advertising.  I think there
> are other better places to get media release, AusSMC, Eureka, Google alerts
> are a few of the places I subscribe and of course science direct topic alerts.
> 
> I personally would like to see more communication about communication on this
> list.  I know you can take the horse to water etc. But why don't members feel
> comfortable airing their bits on here?  So many times people have responded to
> me off the list.  I feel like shouting.  Keep it on the list.
> 
> I would also like to see more communication from the executive on this list.
> We haven't heard anything about the new website.  We keep employing scope
> editors and the newsletter keeps flopping.  We keep talking about becoming
> more professional but what's happening to our charter and code of ethics?
> 
> Members are not involved in any of the communications for any of the events or
> funding or anything really, the only communication comes from those few that
> can be bothered to raise questions or liaise on the list.
> 
> I repeat.  We can't operate in a vacuum.
> 
> Please don't email me off the list with your replies.  Keep it on the list.
> 
> 
> S
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> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:41:27 +0800
> From: Nancy Longnecker <nancy.longnecker at uwa.edu.au>
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> Subject: [ASC-list] Top 10 Reasons You Should Join Australian Science
> Communicators
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> Top 10 Reasons You Should Join Australian Science Communicators
> 
> 1. Connect with a network of professionals from a wide range of science
> communication related fields
> 2. Discover new ways to communicate science to benefit you and your audience
> 3. Receive the latest news on research and events from the world of science
> and communication
> 4. Gain useful knowledge and skills from presentations, workshops and
> discussion sessions
> 5. Learn the art and science of communication through a professional network
> 6. Establish professional and business contacts
> 7. Enjoy access to great local and international scientists and communicators
> 8. Be informed of the latest developments in communication, including
> technology and techniques
> 9. Share your work, experiences and opportunities with a network extending
> through Australia and the world
> 10. Join a group of people passionate about communicating the importance,
> relevance and excitement of science
> 
> This list of reasons to join ASC was produced when we had a very similar
> discussion years ago in the WA branch. My memory (not totally reliable) is
> that Brendon Cant drafted these and other members contributed. It's great to
> see that currently there is strong branch and national activity in ASC. At the
> time (early naughties), a small group of WA members was trying to reinvigorate
> a branch that was at a low point and in danger of total atrophy. One deeply
> embarassing moment for me personally was when a handful of members turned up
> for a guest speaker who was invited because he was a published science writer
> but had been in a rock band in the UK in a previous life. He graciously
> persisted but likened presenting to the ASC-WA branch to some of his early
> gigs when the band played to a pub manager and a few hangers on. Cringe. We
> persevered and membership doubled over the space of a couple of years.
> 
> The point here is: support your branch; support your national executive. Go
> along to things, even if you're tired and just want to go home. It won't
> happen in every instance, but you will get things out of participating.You may
> not realise how important your presence is to support those volunteers making
> the effort to organise things on your behalf. And you can always decide to get
> more involved, help organise something or even join the local committee.
> 
> I've used some of the tips for editing your own work suggested in recent list
> discussion to check for typos, but apologies if I didn't catch them all. ;)
> 
> Cheers, Nancy
> 
> Professor Nancy Longnecker
> Science Communication
> School of Animal Biology, M092
> The University of Western Australia
> 35 Stirling Highway
> Crawley, WA   6009
> 
> ph: 61 8 6488 3926
> nancy.longnecker at uwa.edu.au
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